Stoeger 2000 tacital.

Well I traded my Cobray M-11 off today for a Stoeger 2000 tactical semi auto shotgun. Does anybody know anything about this shotgun? I just thought the Cobray was not usefully for anything. If I want a 32 round semi auto I'll just buy a 32 round mag for my G-26. I think I can get more use out of this shotgun then I could ever get out of that Cobray. And so far this gun hasn't jammed on me like the Cobray keep doing.

Sounds like you made the right trade to me. There is usually a reason gun companies dont last very long, and your experience with the zip gun, was similar to every other one I ever heard about.

Stoeger is just an importer, that gun looks like many of the current Italian designs at present. Or it may be an italian design gun made in Japan.

What ever country it came from, you traded up IMHO.

I'm thinking I need a semiauto 12 gauge with a barrel between 18.5 and 22 inches long.

So far I am trying to figure out whether I need a -

Mossberg (some folks cuss them; others love them);

Saiga (some folks cuss them; others love them);

Benneli (some folks cuss them; others love them);

maybe some others I can't recall right now.

I prefer a synthetic stock but I like the conventional shape stock---not the style with a pistol grip as shown in the OP.

Money is no particular issue as long as it's between say $500 and $1200.

The ability to reliably handle a variety of loads is critical.

The ability to buy and use giant drum magazines is not essential.

Well I went and shot it a little over 100 times tonight and not one FTF. I like this gun alot. I don't see what the pistol grip is for on this gun Is it for looks or is there a purpose for it?

I told the guy I traded with that I keep having FTF with the Cobray, he said he was a gunsmith and he knew how to fix it.

I've been reading up on this shotgun and read that Beretta, Benelli, Stoeger, Franchi... are all owned by Beretta. Is this true?
I also read that Stoeger shotguns supposedly uses Benelli's Inertia Driven Technology. And according to several sources all of their barrels for all their shotguns are made in Turkey... I know that's where this shotgun was made.

Not sure who makes what.

One other that I have been looking at but couldn't recall earlier is the FN SLP Mark I:

That part of the world is where many of the worlds import shotguns are made now, but unless something has changed, the high end stuff is still made in what ever shop in Italy.

But in any case, the Italians have had the concession on most gas gun tech for some time. Most of Brownings gas guns, were in fact from Beretta in slight esthetic differences even a couple decades back.

The recent Benellis use a different lock up and system than Berettas as a rule, but chase the tactical market, while Beretta chases the trap and sporting clays market.

Stoeger used to be just an importer, but that may have changed.

One thing, as in all things, most things are made to a price. Too this day, I doubt I would trade many of the classic American guns for any of the new models.

Though the Beretta gas guns, depending on model, are great, likely a better auto than even the legendary A5 Browning, its still difficult for us old school guys, to accept the plastic and alloy parts.

I have worked on several of the newer designs, and can see some of the logic, but am still suspect. I guess if we see some of these newer design guns still operating just fine, 80 years from now, like some of the old classic shotguns, I will sign off on them at that time.

If I see one operating 80 years from now I'll be in the Guiness Record book!!!

Im pretty sure that those cobray's fire from an open bolt.....i think. There is other reason swhy folks who like to tinker buy guns like that to play with........

brickmanDan wrote:Im pretty sure that those cobray's fire from an open bolt.....i think. There is other reason swhy folks who like to tinker buy guns like that to play with........

no the one I had was the cheap one it fires from an closed bolt. The funny thing is today he has the Cobray list on the same website he had the shotgun listed on and he wants $550.00. I had it listed on there for $275.00 for gun and 300 rounds of 9mm ammo and I couldn't get no one to bite..

http://www.gunownersclub.com/listings/all/?page=3

Well, the one version likely fires from an open bolt, but this one I hope did not.

At least for Glocknuts sake. Anything that will get the federales attention quicker than a 17 inch barrel shotgun, is a gun that fires from an open bolt.

"Fires from open bolt" does not always mean "full auto", does it?

As I understand, guns that fire from an open bolt can go full auto (when tweaked or sometimes just randomly), but some semiauto guns fire from open bolt reliably and never go full auto---right?

NRA_guy wrote:"Fires from open bolt" does not always mean "full auto", does it?

As I understand, guns that fire from an open bolt can go full auto (when tweaked or sometimes just randomly), but some semi auto guns fire from open bolt reliably and never go full auto---right?

Right, the ones that have the open bolts sell for double then the ones that are closed bolts. I have a friend that has a open bolt Cobray and hes been offered $900 for it because they can be converted to full auto easily. Theirs a open bolt Cobray on gunownersclub.com for $1000.00 and he says easy to convert to full auto but not recommended.
here's a picture of it.

NRA_guy wrote:"Fires from open bolt" does not always mean "full auto", does it?

As I understand, guns that fire from an open bolt can go full auto (when tweaked or sometimes just randomly), but some semiauto guns fire from open bolt reliably and never go full auto---right?

As the full auto weapons, are ones I have zero interest in, I honestly do not know the anser to that question, but would go on record as saying that the total number of semi auto weapons firing from an open bolt, could likely be counted on one hand.

Might be a classic Brit made gun, for some reason the Sten sticks in my mind, and maybe one of the Mac 10s that fired from an open bolt, in semi auto dress, but I run out of models I am aware of pretty quick.

And none should quote me on any of this.