Muzzle brakes for wimps
Muzzle brakes for wimps
by James on Fri 1 Jan - 14:33
As many of you know i got a new Springfield m1a a couple of months ago. Been wanting one for a long time and my sugar bought me one for my birthday in .308 cal. I love shooting the rifle and could spend hours at the range with it. However, father time has worked his little tricks on my shoulders and after a couple 20 round magazines I tend to slack up. The recoil really is not bad, but the effects build after a couple of magazines and makes longer shooting uncomfortable and down right hurts if i go much longer.
I have been thinking of possibly putting a muzzle brake to ease up the recoil and let me shoot longer. One that i ran across in my search is the JP recoil eliminator. It looks quite good and what little i see seems to do a good job. Has anyone had experience with this particular item good or bad?
If not the JP, then which one have you had experience with and could recommend?
I have been thinking of possibly putting a muzzle brake to ease up the recoil and let me shoot longer. One that i ran across in my search is the JP recoil eliminator. It looks quite good and what little i see seems to do a good job. Has anyone had experience with this particular item good or bad?
If not the JP, then which one have you had experience with and could recommend?
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Re: Muzzle brakes for wimps
by towerclimber on Fri 1 Jan - 15:14
Sorry James. I've no experience with that particular brand. I have however had experience with them overall and I can tell you that they help.
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Re: Muzzle brakes for wimps
by 2HOW on Fri 1 Jan - 15:34
The only ones I have any good experience with is the 45 degree on the AK . Altho I can see how porting a high power hand gun would help. Its physics, like thrust, the expelled gases will help stabilize the torque of the muzzle rise. Thats why all vents or cuts are pointed up wards. If its just recoil you're worried about, get a good butt pad .
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Re: Muzzle brakes for wimps
by James on Sat 2 Jan - 12:47
towerclimber wrote:Sorry James. I've no experience with that particular brand. I have however had experience with them overall and I can tell you that they help.
That is what my friend from Commieformia tells me. When he was back here for a visit last year he also bought the m1a to take home. As Commieformia says "NO NO" to flash hiders and anything over a 10 round magazine he had to customize his to be legal. He bought the muzzle brake from Springfield and replaced the flash hider with it. Says it's rather loud, but recoil was hardly more than his 22 rifle.
That is defiantly what i am looking for in order to baby the old shoulder, and also to give quicker time back on target between shots. I understand that many times you will actually be able to see your shot hit the target with a good muzzle brake, and of course a scope at 100 and 200 yards.
That is defiantly what i am looking for in order to baby the old shoulder, and also to give quicker time back on target between shots. I understand that many times you will actually be able to see your shot hit the target with a good muzzle brake, and of course a scope at 100 and 200 yards.
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Re: Muzzle brakes for wimps
by James on Sat 2 Jan - 12:52
2HOW wrote: If its just recoil you're worried about, get a good butt pad .
Yes recoil is one of my main worries as shooting the m1a more than a couple of magazines and i begin to feel it in the shoulder. Much more and it starts to hurt. The rifle does have a a fairly good rubber butt pad, but like i said Father Time has done his number. Thirty years ago and it would be nothing, but not today.
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Re: Muzzle brakes for wimps
by RonE on Sat 2 Jan - 18:58
I believe that if you send away to California and get some ten round magazines you will be able to shoot four magazines rather than two before you start feeling the effects of having shot a lot over a long period of time. (notice please that I am not attributing anything to the aging process)
Now you start to feel the the effects of recoil after a couple of magazines but with California legal magazines, you will probably be good to go with four magazines.
Now you start to feel the the effects of recoil after a couple of magazines but with California legal magazines, you will probably be good to go with four magazines.
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Re: Muzzle brakes for wimps
by James on Sat 2 Jan - 19:58
You have a point there Ron... maybe i should take it a step farther and buy 8 5 round magazines that way i could shoot 8 magazines before the shoulder starts hurting... 
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Re: Muzzle brakes for wimps
by towerclimber on Sat 2 Jan - 20:02
Not a bad idea!
I'd send you a couple of magazines James, but I don't have any here with me..My m1a is at my brother's house..I DO however have a few magazines for an sa-58/FN-FAL.
I do SO love the 308 round.
I'd send you a couple of magazines James, but I don't have any here with me..My m1a is at my brother's house..I DO however have a few magazines for an sa-58/FN-FAL.
I do SO love the 308 round.
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Re: Muzzle brakes for wimps
by ronryder on Tue 5 Jan - 22:03
Loud is the key word with a real muzzle break James. I dont consider a flash hider a muzzle break and am not even sure how the state of CA looks at them.
A buddy of mine in Carson City, Lee Baker, has pretty much made a living on installing breaks on rifles, it aint cheap though, gonna eat up quite a bit, once the break and installation are included.
And the more efficient, the louder, aint no such thing as a "quiet" break, and if they claim them to be quiet, dont expect much reduction.
They have to drive the gas backwards to work very well. There is some result simply by horizontal re direction, but not as much as those with a backwards angle.
to get an idea of the noise possibles, find a guy with a Cutts on an old shotgun, then double that amount of noise for a 308, and you will be pretty close
A buddy of mine in Carson City, Lee Baker, has pretty much made a living on installing breaks on rifles, it aint cheap though, gonna eat up quite a bit, once the break and installation are included.
And the more efficient, the louder, aint no such thing as a "quiet" break, and if they claim them to be quiet, dont expect much reduction.
They have to drive the gas backwards to work very well. There is some result simply by horizontal re direction, but not as much as those with a backwards angle.
to get an idea of the noise possibles, find a guy with a Cutts on an old shotgun, then double that amount of noise for a 308, and you will be pretty close
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Re: Muzzle brakes for wimps
by James on Wed 6 Jan - 9:25
ronryder wrote:Loud is the key word with a real muzzle break James. I dont consider a flash hider a muzzle break and am not even sure how the state of CA looks at them.
Yep i hear that Ron... but that is where a good set of ear muffs come in. Calif looks at it the same way too Ron, flash hiders are no no's there, but muzzle brakes are legal. I'm just wanting to reduce recoil so i can stay on target for a second shot, but mostly to ease up on my shoulder when i want to do a lot of shooting. Back in my younger days i used to shoot a 300 magnum at 100 and 200 yards for hours, but today about 40 rounds with the 308 is the limit usually.
Calif looks at it the same way too Ron, flash hiders are no no's there, but muzzle brakes are legal. I'm just wanting to reduce recoil so i can stay on target for a second shot, but mostly to ease up on my shoulder when i want to do a lot of shooting. Back in my younger days i used to shoot a 300 magnum at 100 and 200 yards for hours, but today about 40 rounds with the 308 is the limit usually._________________
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Re: Muzzle brakes for wimps
by towerclimber on Wed 6 Jan - 14:14
meh. I wish there were a way to turn back the clock and keep the wisdom gained.
Time is a thief, it's surely so.
Time is a thief, it's surely so.
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Re: Muzzle brakes for wimps
by ronryder on Wed 6 Jan - 17:42
The popularity of breaks seems to run in cycles. Past few years. they have been more popular, one reason is that they are getting more efficient I guess.
Recoil being so subjective, opinions seem to differ on their gain or loss. One friend just had one put on a 458 Lott, it was a near 11 lb gun as was. Said its compared to a loud 300 fill in the blank at present.
Recoil being so subjective, opinions seem to differ on their gain or loss. One friend just had one put on a 458 Lott, it was a near 11 lb gun as was. Said its compared to a loud 300 fill in the blank at present.
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