Fort Hood on lock down

brickmanDan wrote:Shepard Smith said earlier that we need to know why this happened and what we can do to prevent it from happening in the future. Easy! DON'T LET MUSLIMS IN THE MILITARY.

Muslims hate us and want to kill us. When will we get it?

How about.....DON'T LET MUSLIMS IN THE COUNTRY!

The more I examine this and watch what's coming in on the news, the more I think it was just a case of a nutjob who didn't want to be deployed to a combat zone.
I don't think his religion had anything to do with it.

Ok. Here's my take on it.

Yes. It is possible that a psychiatrist or other psychiatric healthcare giver can get what is considered secondary PTSD - what the news is calling "compassion fatigue". HOWEVER... that doesn't wash with me because the healthcare giver is more inclined to take on the PTSD symptoms of the counseled, which are derived from personal beliefs, attitudes, and actions in traumatic conflict and develop over time. In this case, Hasan's 'break' took the form of the OPPOSITE belief system of his patients; rather than acting out his patients' symptomology as American soldiers fighting an Islamic enemy, his enemy was the American military.

From a CNN report:
Mindy B. Mechanic, an associate professor of psychology at California State University, Fullerton, said listening to horror stories can have an impact, but such as extreme one is unlikely.

The impact on therapists who work with traumatized individuals is known as vicarious traumatization or compassion fatigue, Mechanic said.

"But they don't go out on shooting sprees," she said. "They might get depressed or have some emotional fallout from it, but to go on a shooting spree is not part of what happens to people from having to deal with trauma survivors all the time."

Mechanic, who does not know Hasan, said people don't just snap. "When you start looking back, there are crumbs that suggest everything was not hunky-dory."


While Hasan was serving here in the US, he could compartmentalize his Islamic loyalties, suppressing them while he served in the military. His private life was all about Islam, a 'true believer' if you will. He was acting a part; the government paid for his medical training and he derived great benefit from that 'use' of a resource available to him.

The idea of being deployed and actually fighting against his own - those with whom his true solidarity was zealously part and parcel of - was abhorrent to him. Had it not been, he would not have tried so hard to get out of being deployed and put in a situation where he would either have to kill his own - those who were truly his own people, radical Muslims - or be deployed and found to be a disloyal fraud and a true enemy of the US, with it's promise of his fraudulence being weighed under UMCJ.

His pretend life was over and he knew it. In the end, he did fight his true enemy, killing and wounding good American soldiers.

What I find truly abhorrent is that he'd been reported for pro-Islamic statements, and no action was taken by the military. By saying that I don't lessen or discount the shooter's responsibility, but the military MUST stop being so damned politically correct and start doing some serious vetting of the Muslims that have taken, or would take, the Constitutional oath to defend the United States.

Hasan is not a 'moderate' Muslim. He is an extremist.

Was he a sleeper? Hard to say. It would be foolish to think even for a minute that our military has not been infiltrated by our enemies. I would more think that sleepers would not set off so many alarms as to their true nature, choosing to blend in and avoid suspicion. Hasan, however, was put on probation while doing his post graduate work for proselytizing both among patients and colleagues, per Instapundit; based on this and other reports, he was not a 'stealth' actor in any sense of the term. Hasan was a fanatic, even to the point that he could not find a wife who was conservative enough for him even through Islamic registries. That ought to tell you something...

The reports against him should have told the military something, too, but no investigation was pending. Investigating him now is a little too damned late. At that, I expect we'll all get a very sanitized official accounting... lest Obama's Kumbayah outreach be exposed for what it is. It's the same outreach fostered by the Council on Foreign Relations, by the way...

The administration has a vested interest in this whole thing being blown off as a psychiatrist who snapped because he was a coward and couldn't face the closeup and personal trauma his patients related to him, completely sweeping under the rug his Islamic religion.

Obama was quick to advise that people shouldn't jump to conclusions until all the facts are in. Can't find the link at the moment, but I read a report that personnel at Walter Reed are under orders to not discuss Hasan with anyone - not even the FBI.

For a real closeup of who Hasan was and how up front he was, read Doug Ross's Journal here and note Hasan's philosophy regarding suicide jihad in his own words posted to his Scribd account at the bottom of the page.

The anti-war left is already characterizing the Ft. Hood massacre as evidence of a frayed military on the brink due to two wars. They're using the idea of 'compassion fatigue' in Hasan's actions in an empathetic portrayal geared to further weaken and emasculate our military, which sickens me.

Sorry this has been such a long post, guys, but there are answers here...

I recognize this post has some political overtones, and I'll move it if I get a PM from a moderator, but the point is more in keeping with the thread than with politics so I am hoping it can stay here...

Sorry, I'm not done, lol...

The left will effectively use this to bolster their arguments on gun control, since the weapon of choice was purchased privately, held privately and not registered as a privately owned weapon by the military. For this reason, if none other, the truth of this shooting MUST be available, because this will be a very big issue politically in the not so distant future. If Hasan can be painted as a psychotic PTSD military victim, then his access to guns will open a very ugly can of worms in terms of 2A rights.

Secondly, the Silver Springs Mosque to which Hasan belonged was profiled in 2006 by the Washington Post. This is not the mosque of your politically correct 'moderate' Muslim. Salafism and Wahabbism are very closely related.

Seeking Pure Islam
Taken broadly, practicing Salafism means imitating the ways the prophet Muhammad and his companions in the 7th century practiced their faith, from their clothing to the spiritual principles that guided them. Salafism also stresses a return to fundamentals in pursuit of "pure" or "authentic" Islam.

Wahhabism is an ultra-conservative brand of Salafism that emerged in Saudi Arabia. Its strictest adherents read Islamic scriptures literally, reject centuries of Islamic legal scholarship as unnecessary "innovation" and regard many Western values as un-Islamic. They also regard Jews, Christians and non-Wahhabi Muslims as "unbelievers" who should be avoided.

"Salafis are the fundamentalists of the Muslim world," said Ihsan Bagby, a professor of Islamic studies at the University of Kentucky. "Just as Christian fundamentalists are focused on who's going to heaven and hell, who's the true believer and who's the nonbeliever," Salafis "are really focused on belief. . . . For the most part, they are apolitical."

Perhaps Hasan believed in the beginning he could take advantage of the military and avoid politics. He was already committed to his career prior to 9/11 and the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq... Born of Palestinian parents, he was first lieutenant in 1997 and graduated Medical School in May of 2001. The military paid for both his undergraduate, post graduate and Medical School educations.

The military wasn't about to let their investment go to waste by letting Hasan out of his contract. They put money over security. This may be why Hasan was never investigated in the first place...

I agree James and we all need to take a damn good look at Dearborn MI. to see what is coming.

Turns out he was also linked to the 9/11 gang of throat cutters:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/6521758/Fort-Hood-shooting-Texas-army-killer-linked-to-September-11-terrorists.html

WTF????????

U.S. Aware of Hasan Efforts to Contact al Qaeda

U.S. intelligence agencies were aware months ago that Army Major Nidal Hasan was attempting to make contact with people associated with al Qaeda, two American officials briefed on classified material in the case told ABC News.

It is not known whether the intelligence agencies informed the Army that one of its officers was seeking to connect with suspected al Qaeda figures, the officials said.

One senior lawmaker said the CIA had, so far, refused to brief the intelligence committees on what, if any, knowledge they had about Hasan's efforts.

CIA director Leon Panetta and the Director of National Intelligence, Dennis Blair, have been asked by Congress "to preserve" all documents and intelligence files that relate to Hasan, according to the lawmaker.

On Sunday, Senator Joseph Lieberman (D-CT) called for an investigation into whether the Army missed signs as to whether Hasan was an Islamic extremist.

"If Hasan was showing signs, saying to people that he had become an Islamist extremist, the U.S. Army has to have a zero tolerance," Lieberman told Fox News Sunday.

Investigators want to know if Hasan maintained contact with a radical mosque leader from Virginia, Anwar al Awlaki, who now lives in Yemen and runs a web site that promotes jihad around the world against the U.S.

In a blog posting early Monday titled "Nidal Hassan Did the Right Thing," Awlaki calls Hassan a "hero" and a "man of conscience who could not bear living the contradiction of being a Muslim and serving in an army that is fighting against his own people."

According to his site, Awlaki served as an imam in Denver, San Diego and Falls Church, Virginia.

The Associated Press reported Sunday that Major Hasan attended the Falls Church mosque when Awlaki was there.

The Telegraph of London reported that Awlaki had made contact with two of the 9/11 hijackers when he was in San Diego.

He denied any knowledge of the hijacking plot and was never charged with any crime. After an intensive investigation by the FBI, Awlaki moved to Yemen.

People who knew or worked with Hasan say he seemed to have gradually become more radical in his disapproval of the war in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Army Chief of Staff

A fellow Army doctor who studied with Hasan, Val Finell, told ABC News, "We would frequently say he was a Muslim first and an American second. And that came out in just about everything he did at the University."

Finell said he and other Army doctors complained to superiors about Hasan's statements.
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more at link.

Well, the more I look the more I can say I was wrong.

this guy's a jihadist from everything I've seen.

I'm glad he's off the ventilator and speaking now. I want him to recover to full health so we can hang his sorry ass.

Want to bet that don't happen?

point taken...he might get paroled by obama but I can only hope some fine gentleperson puts him down when he's out of the spotlight