More on the Ruger mystery
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More on the Ruger mystery
this kind of relates to the other thread, about comparing Glocks to Rugers P95 series. A guy had brought me one last month, allowed as too how when he got it new, it functioned very well.
he then field strips it, cleans it, and the thing wont function for sour owl manure. Smoke stacks, wont unlock, etc etc.
Well, he thought that perhaps he had messed something up in the re assy. I studied the gun for a long time, talked to guys here, tried a few things, and still the gun wont function por nada.
I was about the point, where I thought maybe they had used heavy springs in the gun, to prevent frame damage, as the gun did somewhat try to function with mil issue hardball but still would not function with handloads, or other commercial loads, that would make my Hi Power run like a swiss watch.
So, upon further searching on the net, I ran across a lot of guys, complaining of the same issues, smokestacks, FTF, etc.
So I would go to sleep at night, trying to figure out just what the heck was going on with this gun. Finally, I loaded up a batch of top of the page loads, and figured that if they would sort of function the gun, I was planning on clipping a coil off the main spring, and seeing if that helped.
Along the way, for what ever reason, I used some Rem Lube on the rails and slide.
Well low and behold, THAT was what was preventing the gun from functioning correctly!
I just near could not believe that was the issue. And the owner was like myself, he had believed that the "plastic" guns did not really need to be lubed.
Living in the desert, I know that sand and dirt is what wears a gun out, from being over lubed, so I have always tended to run my guns on the dry side.
I saw where the Army I think it was, bought a bunch of these P95s, man...thats the weapon I want in the sandbox, one that wont function unless lube is dripping off of it.
I do not know of other plastic guns are like this, I know I had an "Ultrastar" some years back, it ran fine dry.
Do Glocks have to be lubed to run?
he then field strips it, cleans it, and the thing wont function for sour owl manure. Smoke stacks, wont unlock, etc etc.
Well, he thought that perhaps he had messed something up in the re assy. I studied the gun for a long time, talked to guys here, tried a few things, and still the gun wont function por nada.
I was about the point, where I thought maybe they had used heavy springs in the gun, to prevent frame damage, as the gun did somewhat try to function with mil issue hardball but still would not function with handloads, or other commercial loads, that would make my Hi Power run like a swiss watch.
So, upon further searching on the net, I ran across a lot of guys, complaining of the same issues, smokestacks, FTF, etc.
So I would go to sleep at night, trying to figure out just what the heck was going on with this gun. Finally, I loaded up a batch of top of the page loads, and figured that if they would sort of function the gun, I was planning on clipping a coil off the main spring, and seeing if that helped.
Along the way, for what ever reason, I used some Rem Lube on the rails and slide.
Well low and behold, THAT was what was preventing the gun from functioning correctly!
I just near could not believe that was the issue. And the owner was like myself, he had believed that the "plastic" guns did not really need to be lubed.
Living in the desert, I know that sand and dirt is what wears a gun out, from being over lubed, so I have always tended to run my guns on the dry side.
I saw where the Army I think it was, bought a bunch of these P95s, man...thats the weapon I want in the sandbox, one that wont function unless lube is dripping off of it.
I do not know of other plastic guns are like this, I know I had an "Ultrastar" some years back, it ran fine dry.
Do Glocks have to be lubed to run?
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Re: More on the Ruger mystery
Glad you got it figured out Ron, its amazing how sometimes the solution to the problem is really so simple but easily overlooked.
im not a Glock guru or nothing but my main carry piece is a glock. As of late i have been putting my Glock 17 through the mill. Been participating in some combat shooting drills with some "people" while wearing tac-vest and plate carrier with pistol holster low on the left side of the chest.One drill we have been doing is low crawling through creeks,fields,mud,gravel and incorporating it into shooting drills with carbine and pistol. My glock has yet to fail. Mud has been caked into all the seems of the gun several times. After each session I would clean the weapon and VERY lightly oil it due to not wanting the grit to get gummed up in it. So yes I would say the Glock would run dry all day long. But im sure my my 1911 would do it too... i cant hardly beat up all my guns, it was hard enough to decide to not care if my glock got a scratch or not.
im not a Glock guru or nothing but my main carry piece is a glock. As of late i have been putting my Glock 17 through the mill. Been participating in some combat shooting drills with some "people" while wearing tac-vest and plate carrier with pistol holster low on the left side of the chest.One drill we have been doing is low crawling through creeks,fields,mud,gravel and incorporating it into shooting drills with carbine and pistol. My glock has yet to fail. Mud has been caked into all the seems of the gun several times. After each session I would clean the weapon and VERY lightly oil it due to not wanting the grit to get gummed up in it. So yes I would say the Glock would run dry all day long. But im sure my my 1911 would do it too... i cant hardly beat up all my guns, it was hard enough to decide to not care if my glock got a scratch or not.
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Re: More on the Ruger mystery
None should think I am an idiot, lubrication does help guns function, an example is the old A 5 Browning, if the tube gets dry, the friction rings simply will not slide properly, but generally, even dry, the gun will run half bass.
I have heard that Lugers like to be lubed, but to consider any real deal combat pistol, that HAS to have much more than a whiff of lube to work properly, just isnt one I would want to bet anyones life on.
A hand built tight match 1911 can get cranky while dry of course, but again, they are not imagined as a service pistol.
Except that the hammer spring felt really heavy on this gun, I mean way heavier than other guns in my safe, even my old buddy that has shot for the Navy teams commented on the heavy feel on the mainspring, the gun did not exhibit a "rough" feel of the slide coming back.
It was fairly accurate though, which was one thing the early versions of the Ruger, had complaints about. Once it started running, tagging bowling pins at 20 yards was no challenge, even given the "OSHA approved" trigger.
I recall a P85 experience years back, a gallon bucket at that distance was relatively safe.
I have heard that Lugers like to be lubed, but to consider any real deal combat pistol, that HAS to have much more than a whiff of lube to work properly, just isnt one I would want to bet anyones life on.
A hand built tight match 1911 can get cranky while dry of course, but again, they are not imagined as a service pistol.
Except that the hammer spring felt really heavy on this gun, I mean way heavier than other guns in my safe, even my old buddy that has shot for the Navy teams commented on the heavy feel on the mainspring, the gun did not exhibit a "rough" feel of the slide coming back.
It was fairly accurate though, which was one thing the early versions of the Ruger, had complaints about. Once it started running, tagging bowling pins at 20 yards was no challenge, even given the "OSHA approved" trigger.
I recall a P85 experience years back, a gallon bucket at that distance was relatively safe.
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You mean to tell me that the guy wasn't oiling his gun? I would think that any time you have 2 parts of any material rubbing together that you'd want to put something there to help reduce friction.
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All my gun actions get alight oiling with Break Free CLP, at the actual contact points, then the gun cycled a few times to make sure it is smooth. Vital spots are the contact rails and springs. Cast frames like Rugers have massive rails and a lot of drag surface, whereas the Glock has frame inserts of smaller, harder metal contact points to reduce friction. Recoil springs if tight can drag on barrel or guide rod. Very light lube works wonders.
I know a police detective who cleans his .45 Glock with rubbing alcohol, which dries completely leaving a clean dry gun. I just hope it will keep running for him in a firefight.
I know a police detective who cleans his .45 Glock with rubbing alcohol, which dries completely leaving a clean dry gun. I just hope it will keep running for him in a firefight.
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I have used various solvents and even brake cleaner, to remove crud that's built up in firearms..I've always oiled them afterwards.
I didn't realize that you don't oil plastic firearms..I learn something new every day.
I didn't realize that you don't oil plastic firearms..I learn something new every day.
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The hard plastics, in the past have sometimes been called self lubricating. They are not just not as high friction as metal to metal. Some plastics do not benefit from the presence of oil at all. Some of the synthetic lubes do reduce friction on the plastic and not attract dirt and lint. Teflon can be a good alternative. They once claimed that it had the friction coefficient of wet ice on wet ice. So far i will stay with Break Free CLP.
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eh heh.
I believe I'll stick with an honest to goodness steel pistol.
that way I don't have to scratch my head and wonder what to feed it or how to wipe it's butt.
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I believe I'll stick with an honest to goodness steel pistol.
that way I don't have to scratch my head and wonder what to feed it or how to wipe it's butt.
8)
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I'm still waiting fort hem to make phasers. Wouldn't it be fun to just stun linecutters, obnoxious loudmouths, street punks and gangsta wannabes and other jerks from a distance? Teach a lesson about bad behaviors without killing them. The first time.towerclimber wrote:eh heh.
I believe I'll stick with an honest to goodness steel pistol.
that way I don't have to scratch my head and wonder what to feed it or how to wipe it's butt.
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man...stop it!! I have a toy phaser and communicator (yes, I'm a trekkie). oh if it only were real.
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That's ok, I asked Santa for a 30-30 when I was 14..the bstrd said I was naughty that year. I'm glad he's gone!
and the Easter bunny? meh I say!
I'll still stick with my 1911 style, all metal construction (with cocobolo wood grips), 4 mechanical safety, non striker fired type weapon because I don't want to shoot myself by accident.
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and the Easter bunny? meh I say!
I'll still stick with my 1911 style, all metal construction (with cocobolo wood grips), 4 mechanical safety, non striker fired type weapon because I don't want to shoot myself by accident.
8)
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