Re: Glock 23 At 230 Yards

**GlockNut** · by **GlockNut** on Sat 21 Nov - 2:51

Heres the same guy doing the 230 yard shoot with a G-27.

ronryder · by ronryder on Sat 21 Nov - 15:14

I would still like top know how big the gong is. Even if a large one, the sights are so rudimentary, and the ballistic path so arched on that class of round, he simply cant be using the sights in a normal fashion.

In other words, he is locating the front sight up and out of the rear notch to a degree that there is part of the slide being seen between front and rear sight.

Imagine shooting tennis balls out of a mortar. My experience with shooting the 40 short is basically nada, it may have flatter trajectory than a 45, enough to make a great difference.

I have shot 1911 based guns at similar ranges, and a lot of front sight elevation is needed to get the rounds out that far.

Of course once you practice and find the range, its not totally impossible, but again, the guy is a pretty hard holder in any aspect.

**brickmanDan** · by **brickmanDan** on Sat 21 Nov - 15:38

I looked through the comments on youtube for this video and the size of the gong is not mentioned. However, the shooter in the video does give a description of his sight picture and how he aims the pistol for shots at that range.

ronryder · by ronryder on Sun 22 Nov - 0:06

I didnt catch that part of the vid (about how he does it) not that I can imagine any other way than how every body else does it. The barrel is so short, you have to have some of the slide between the front and rear sight.

I just watched it again, I didnt see any mention of the sight picture. Did he mention it in the previous vid?

**brickmanDan** · by **brickmanDan** on Sun 22 Nov - 0:09

ronryder wrote:I didnt catch that part of the vid (about how he does it) not that I can imagine any other way than how every body else does it. The barrel is so short, you have to have some of the slide between the front and rear sight.

I just watched it again, I didnt see any mention of the sight picture. Did he mention it in the previous vid?

underneath the video on youtubes site you will see comments left by folks. the shooter expalins it there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmMEg4y54Dk&feature=player_embedded

ronryder · by ronryder on Sun 22 Nov - 0:13

thanks,

ronryder · by ronryder on Sun 22 Nov - 0:19

finally found it, says he is holding half a front sight over the rear. That being the estimate, the 40 is shooting a bit flatter than a 45.

Of course the 45 has beach ball trajectory at best.

bonedaddy · by bonedaddy on Wed 30 Dec - 23:47

As for trucks, I like my Chevy but wish I had a Ford, again. You couldn't kill my old '79 Ford with a bazooka point blank or out handle it on a backroad. As for pistols, I'm stickin' with my Stoeger. Never fails in any way with any ammo. Better than my old Ford. Nuf' said!

towerclimber · by towerclimber on Thu 31 Dec - 12:37

brickmanDan wrote:
GunNut wrote:Well I've shot 2 Kimbers that jammed up at least 1 time out of 30 shots. And I was at a range and a guy was shooting a Dan Wesson and it jammed alot he keep blaming it on the ammo. I was shooting the same ammo, and my Glock didn't jam up one time.

Might have been bad magazines or even a limpwristing or the gun or the gun could be just as you think ....a complete turd. Several factors come into play for sure and one should not just go on others experiance totally in a decison on which one is a turd and which one isnt. Kinda similar to the Ford vs Chevrolet argument......even though we all know Ford always built a better truck!

I'm thinking it's limpwristing. I have a buddy who had a 1911 and told me it was a POS.
I thought.."huh..now there's something you don't hear every day". so it happens we had a range available and walked down to it to shoot some.
come to find out he was holding it way too far down the pistolgrip because he was afraid he'd get pinched by the slide. This resulted in not only improper sight acquisition but limpwristing, excessive perceived recoil and really lousy operation. After explaining how to shoot the pistol and showing him that, with the proper method, it worked fine, he was sold on it. he also improved his marksmanship quite a bit.

a 1911 type platform is just like any other... you wouldn't shoot an AR in the same manner you shoot an AK..pistols are no different.
I don't shoot a wheel gun in the same manner I shoot an automatic.

James · by James on Thu 31 Dec - 15:11

I'm thinking your right there tower... Unless he just happened to get ahold of 2 Kimber lemons, always a possibility no matter what make, then it almost has to be limpwristing seeing as how he said the ammo worked fine in his gun. Kimbers or 1911's don't jam any more than any other make of gun as long as the ammo is good and you shoot them properly. Holding a 1911 down the grip will defiantly give some bad results, that is after all what that big thing under the hammer is for, to keep your hand high without getting a slide bite.

As far as the "Dan Wesson" is concerned, who knows what was done. Maybe the guy decided he could improve on what Wesson did and put the golden screw driver to it, or maybe Wesson himself screwed up . Custom jobs (Hot rods) will usually never be as reliable as a stocker... faster yes, capable maybe of greater stuff, but not as reliable and certainly more prone to problems.

There has to be a reason why the 1911 platform has lasted so many years and seems the favorite of serious target shooters. And that is because it is dependable and accurate. Glocks on the other hand were developed to keep gun ignorant cops from shooting themselves in the foot or their sergeant in the ass.

towerclimber · by towerclimber on Thu 31 Dec - 15:32

James wrote:

There has to be a reason why the 1911 platform has lasted so many years and seems the favorite of serious target shooters. And that is because it is dependable and accurate. Glocks on the other hand were developed to keep gun ignorant cops from shooting themselves in the foot or their sergeant in the ass.

Oh I dunno, with all the articles you see these days where LEO's use glocks and shoot themselves or others unintentionally, I'm thinking perhaps Gaston had a bit of a darwinist bent to him...
lol!

James · by James on Thu 31 Dec - 15:35

towerclimber wrote:[Oh I dunno, with all the articles you see these days where LEO's use glocks and shoot themselves or others unintentionally, I'm thinking perhaps Gaston had a bit of a darwinist bent to him...

Well you know how it is... build a better mousetrap and along comes a better mouse...

To put it another way, you can't out engineer stupid!...

hickok45 · by hickok45 on Wed 27 Jan - 19:58

Well, as I point out in my videos, the gong is not like shooting at a golf ball or anything. It's about 2 feet in diameter. Still, I think you'll find it a bit tricky with a stock Glock 23 or stock Glock 27. I don't do it regularly, but I thought I'd show what these little guns are capable of on a good day.
I much prefer banging steel at closer ranges, as you can also tell from my videos! :-)
Also, i don't argue about which guns are better very much; they are all pretty good; it's the operator who is either skilled or not in most cases.
I appreciate everybody checking out my channel.
Take care,
hickok45

RonE · by RonE on Thu 28 Jan - 0:13

GlockNut wrote:
ronryder wrote:Interesting video, especially with the lousy trigger found in a Glock.
WHAT lousy trigger.... Glocks triggers are alot better then most polymer frame guns on the market...

How about compaired to most real guns on the market?

ronryder · by ronryder on Thu 28 Jan - 10:01

I suspect there are thousands of newer shooters Ron E, that have never shot a real match trigger gun, to be able to comprehend the difference between the Glock or other than Glock but similar design, and vintage single action handguns, pistol or revolver.

Hand them a pre war Smith, and many would be putting rounds into the dirt a few feet ahead of them, until they got used to it, the trigger is so different in feel.

And I do not mean that as a slam, but simply that there is a huge difference in the mechanics of "classic" versus "Glock".

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