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Post by GlockNut on Fri 14 Nov - 14:49

http://finance.yahoo.com/taxes/article/106140/Taxpayers-Get-Second-Chance-at-Stimulus
Taxpayers Get Second Chance at Stimulus
by Tom Herman
Wednesday, November 12, 2008

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Remember those economic-stimulus checks the government was handing out this year? Many taxpayers didn't qualify for the full amount -- or for any payment at all -- because their 2007 income exceeded a certain threshold.

But many people who lost their jobs this year, or whose incomes fell for some other reason, will get a second chance next year, thanks to a little-noticed tax-law twist.



Like many other people, Colleen Kilbreath of Westminster, Colo., thought eligibility for the program was based solely on what she had reported on her tax return for 2007 -- and assumed she wouldn't get anything because her income for that year was too high. Ms. Kilbreath, a construction-project manager, was laid off in June "and could really use the assistance," she wrote in a recent email.

For 2008, she says, her adjusted gross income will be about $50,000, well below the law's threshold, which means she should qualify for a recovery rebate credit when she files her 2008 return next year. "I did not know" that the law worked that way, she says. "I'm sure there are a ton of us out there that are in the dark."

Under the economic-stimulus law, which was enacted in February, eligibility for this tax break is based on your income and other factors, such as family size, as reported on your federal income-tax return for either 2007 or 2008, says Mark Luscombe, principal tax analyst at CCH, a Wolters Kluwers business.

Thus, if you weren't eligible based on your 2007 return or received less than the maximum amount, you still might qualify for a "recovery rebate credit" on your 2008 return, to be filed in 2009, Internal Revenue Service officials say. Other people, such as a family with a child born in 2008, may also be eligible for a credit on their 2008 return, Mr. Luscombe says.

Huge amounts of money are involved. About $10 billion will be distributed next year in rebate credits, says Treasury Department spokesman Andrew DeSouza. The Treasury won't send out separate economic-stimulus payments, as it did this year. Instead, those eligible will claim the rebate credit on their 2008 returns. That will affect how much of a refund they'll get or how much they'll owe Uncle Sam.

With the economic slump deepening, the extra help will come in handy in many households. According to the latest government figures, employment has dropped by about 1.2 million in the first 10 months of this year -- with over half the decrease coming in the past three months. The Labor Department reported that the unemployment rate rose to 6.5% in October from 6.1% the previous month, and many forecasters expect it to climb above 8% by the end of next year.

Pressure is growing in Congress for additional economic-stimulus measures, either this year during a lame-duck session or next year after Barack Obama is sworn in as president, or both.

Under the law enacted in February, most people who paid federal income taxes were eligible to receive as much as $600 for an individual, or as much as $1,200 for a married couple filing a joint return, with an additional $300 for each eligible child. The amounts phase out for individuals whose incomes exceed $75,000, or joint filers with income above $150,000. Under the formula, you lose 5% of the dollar amount above the applicable threshold -- such as $50 for each $1,000 above the cap. (Separately, many low-income people who paid little or no federal income tax were entitled to some payment, too.)

Through last month, the Treasury had distributed about 117.4 million economic-stimulus payments totaling more than $95 billion. During October alone, the government distributed about 1.4 million payments totaling about $976.6 million.

The IRS will post tools on its Web site to help people figure the recovery rebate credit, says Eric Smith, an IRS spokesman. There will also be a worksheet to help figure out the amount in the 2008 tax packages, he says. A draft has been posted on the IRS site.

For those do-it-yourselfers who don't want to risk losing their sanity doing the number-crunching, consider buying tax-preparation software. Intuit Inc.'s TurboTax, the top-selling consumer software, will automatically notify customers about this issue when they're working on their 2008 tax returns next year, and will also calculate any additional rebate amount, says Julie Miller, an Intuit spokeswoman.

Some people who were eligible for a payment this year haven't received it yet because of a wrong address. The IRS said recently that it's searching for people who are missing more than 279,000 economic stimulus checks totaling about $163 million -- and more than 104,000 regular refund checks totaling about $103 million -- that were returned by the U.S. Postal Service due to mailing address errors.

"All a taxpayer has to do is update his or her address once," the IRS said. The government "will then send out all checks due."

If you're worried about a missing stimulus check and want it this year, don't procrastinate. "It is crucial that taxpayers who may be due a stimulus check update their addresses with the IRS by Nov. 28," the IRS said. The reason: By law, those stimulus checks must be sent out by Dec. 31 this year, the IRS said. To check the status of a stimulus check and get instructions on how to update an address, go to the IRS Web site and click on "Where's My Stimulus Payment?" or call 866-234-2942.

The IRS said the regular refund checks that were returned averaged $988 apiece. These checks will be re-sent as soon as taxpayers update their addresses. You can do that with the "Where's My Refund" tool on the IRS Web site, or call 800-829-1954.



Estate-tax returns fell in 2007.

Only about 38,000 federal estate-tax returns were filed in 2007, down from 49,050 in 2006, according to the IRS. Of those 38,000 returns, about 17,400 were taxable, down from nearly 23,000 taxable returns in 2006.

Among the 2007 taxable returns, there were 2,860 estates valued between $3.5 million and less than $5 million, the IRS said. There were 2,906 estates valued between $5 million and less than $10 million, 1,104 estates valued between $10 million and less than $20 million -- and only 654 estates valued at $20 million or more.

Further declines in the number of filings are likely again next year, when the basic federal estate-tax exclusion, now $2 million, is set to increase to $3.5 million.

The top federal estate-tax rate, now 45%, is set to remain unchanged in 2009.

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Voters deliver a mixed verdict on state-tax proposals.

Massachusetts voters turned down the proposed elimination of the state's income tax over two years. Critics such as the Massachusetts Taxpayer Foundation had said approval of the measure would have led to drastic spending cuts in almost all state programs. In another closely-watched contest, Oregon voters rejected a proposal to allow taxpayers to deduct unlimited amounts of their federal income taxes on their state returns. North Dakotans said no to a proposal to cut personal income-tax rates by 50%.

But voters "were also hesitant to raise taxes in a difficult economy," said Jennie Drage Bowser of the National Conference of State Legislatures. For example, Colorado voters rejected a sales-tax increase and also said no to major changes to the state's strict Taxpayer Bill of Rights law. Maine voted to roll back new taxes on beer, wine and soft drinks.

Minnesota, however, approved a sales-tax increase to protect the environment and benefit the arts.

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Re: Taxpayers Get Second Chance at Stimulus

Post by Guest on Fri 14 Nov - 15:23

Is this what they meant when the Democrats were proposing a Second Stimulus check?

I don't think so. Once again they promise before the Election and deny after they are re-elected.

With over 850 Billion going to Wall Street Bankers at Taxpayer expense, it seems like crocodile tears to squawk about 10 Billion going to folks who were crushed by the economic shenanigans of the govt. Rolling Eyes

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Post by quangvang on Fri 14 Nov - 21:53

this isn't the 2nd stimulus that the lefties proposed, nor did they ever try to make it out as if this was their 2nd stimulus package.

the dem 2nd stimulus package is another stimulus package altogether, in addition to this first one.

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Post by Guest on Fri 14 Nov - 22:13

quangvang wrote:this isn't the 2nd stimulus that the lefties proposed, nor did they ever try to make it out as if this was their 2nd stimulus package.

the dem 2nd stimulus package is another stimulus package altogether, in addition to this first one.


That's why I said, "I don't think so."

They proposed a Second Stimulus package before the Election. Now that they got re-elected, it's "What Second Stimulus package?"

The idiots/sheeple fell for it,.........again.

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Post by ronryder on Sat 15 Nov - 16:49

As taxpayers, we should feel very "stimulated", similar to getting it in the backside with no grease.

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Post by Volzfan on Sat 15 Nov - 19:47

ronryder wrote:As taxpayers, we should feel very "stimulated", similar to getting it in the backside with no grease.



OUCH!!! affraid

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Post by quangvang on Sun 16 Nov - 8:18

sledge, i know you thought the same. i was merely dumbing it down for those that may not have understood you entirely.

i would be much happier if they just didn't take that money from me in the first place, instead of stealing it from me then giving it back to me later.

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Post by ronryder on Mon 17 Nov - 1:29

Here is a similar story, in 1970, the state of MO passed as I recall, a 1/8 percent sales tax for "conservation", a proposed ten year program, the state made loads of money.

of course, it never sun setted, far as Dad tells me, and he could be in correct, they still have it.

Now, near 35 years or more later, the old farmers, many are dying off, getting older etc. they want their land to be "conserved". guess where part of the money is coming from?

I dont care how you look at that, they are in effect getting their own money back. and the state gets the land por nada.

Re distribution of wealth has been going on for a long time. Not till present, are we calling it for what it is.

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Post by quangvang on Mon 17 Nov - 3:48

ronryder wrote:Re distribution of wealth has been going on for a long time. Not till present, are we calling it for what it is.


exactly.social security & welfare are great examples of re-distributing the wealth. the progressive income tax system is a large part of a redistribution of wealth. things that go far back way before any barack obama.

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Post by Guest on Mon 17 Nov - 9:38

All these examples you fellows have given are exactly why a Democracy is doomed to fail, and why our Founding Fathers set up a Republic in the first place.

The Roman Senate was the Model for our modern version of corrupted government financial management. Influence peddling is as old as mankind itself, and will never change. Our Founding Fathers knew that, and wrote the Constitution in such a manner as to prevent it. As soon as lawyers were allowed to become politicians, and Congress abdicated the power to coin money to private banksters, in violation of the laws of our land, the slide down the "slippery slope" began, and financial destruction of the United States of America was assured.

Nothing short of complete financial meltdown will reverse this process of decay. Socialism is now openly proposed, and accepted by the sheeple. They have "Democratically" endorsed, yea, demanded it.

The only recourse you have at this time is to stock up on the "necessities" of living, and guard your family's well being. The greatest push to eliminate the "middle class" is in high gear, and the destruction of our currency is being fomented as we sit at our computers. The U.S. government is printing more worthless money at an accelerating rate. Ten Trillion Dollars of savings was wiped out in the month of October, from the IRAs and 401Ks of U.S. Citizens, via the manipulations of the Stock Markets, Futures Markets, Commodities Markets, and Precious Metals Markets.

The "Redistribution of Wealth" is about to send the majority of Baby Boomers into destitution.

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Post by quangvang on Tue 18 Nov - 4:32

it isn't so much a problem w/ lawyers being politicians. lawyers that were good people were in early politics of america and before. it's more a problem of just plain old bad, greedy, corrupt, etc. people in general. the problem is w/ the attitude of people in general rather than a simple lawyers=bad, farmer=good person.

i think the problem about our financial system is that we are not a truly market based capitalist system. sure, we may be capitalist when it comes to earning money, but when it comes to losses, it's capitalism for some, especially the "little guy" and socialism for the "big guy."

as you can tell, i'm not a big fan of the bailout. i say let them go under and die out. government should not reward and prop up bad business decisions and practices. i have no problem w/ unregulated business running wild, like in a laisez faire (sp?) system, but when they bust, let the natural course take place.

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