Profile or not to Profile
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Re: Profile or not to Profile
by NRA_guy on Tue 16 Feb - 8:46
As we learned in 8th grade science class -
There are 2 kinds of reasoning:
1. Deductive (you completely understand every possible cause and the effects of each) and
2. Inductive (you take a lots of data and analyze the results for cause and effect without really understanding the details of the underlying process.)
We prefer deductive reasoning because it is more reliable, but inductive reasoning is perfectly valid and is used frequently in the scientific world.
For example, that is how medicines are determined to be effective (or not) in treating diseases.
We all do it unconsciously every day. To illustrate the inductive reasoning process, we see dogs, lots of dogs. Nearly all of them have 4 legs. Therefore (through inductive reasoning) we come to expect dogs to have 4 legs. And we don't have to understand the genetics of WHY dogs have 4 legs to reach this conclusion. Might we see an exception? Yeah, but that does not disprove our theory that dogs normally have 4 legs.
The same reasoning can be applied to moslem terrorists. Not all terrorists are moslem, but most of them are. And anybody who refuses to accept that fact is an idiot.
Profiling is nothing more than inductive reasoning.
There are 2 kinds of reasoning:
1. Deductive (you completely understand every possible cause and the effects of each) and
2. Inductive (you take a lots of data and analyze the results for cause and effect without really understanding the details of the underlying process.)
We prefer deductive reasoning because it is more reliable, but inductive reasoning is perfectly valid and is used frequently in the scientific world.
For example, that is how medicines are determined to be effective (or not) in treating diseases.
We all do it unconsciously every day. To illustrate the inductive reasoning process, we see dogs, lots of dogs. Nearly all of them have 4 legs. Therefore (through inductive reasoning) we come to expect dogs to have 4 legs. And we don't have to understand the genetics of WHY dogs have 4 legs to reach this conclusion. Might we see an exception? Yeah, but that does not disprove our theory that dogs normally have 4 legs.
The same reasoning can be applied to moslem terrorists. Not all terrorists are moslem, but most of them are. And anybody who refuses to accept that fact is an idiot.
Profiling is nothing more than inductive reasoning.
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Re: Profile or not to Profile
by ronryder on Tue 16 Feb - 14:30
None should mis read me, I think we have to do something do, but just how in heck do we do it?
One of my step sons college buddies after 9 11 was from some where in the sand box, he claimed he was Catholic according to the step son. I allowed as too how I would likely claim to be a muslim should I have to be going to school there.
Thing was, my step son is Colombian born, and is a Catholic, but both of them walking down the street, it would be a challenge for most WASP types to tell the difference, if skin color and facial features was all we had to go on.
I can guarantee, you put a sand boxer, a Mexican, a Colombian, a Puerto Rican, and perhaps even the odd dark Italian, all having "their" typical skin color and its going to take a person well studied in ethnic physical difference, and I am not even sure thats the correct way to say it, anyway, put them all in a line, and pick out the Muslim even much better than half the time.
All I am saying, is that its easier to profile folks talking about it, than actually doing it.
Something needs done, I guess all the brown young men\
in the world suffer?
and for sure, tell me the answer, then we will both know, cause I dont have a clue at present. 8)
One of my step sons college buddies after 9 11 was from some where in the sand box, he claimed he was Catholic according to the step son. I allowed as too how I would likely claim to be a muslim should I have to be going to school there.
Thing was, my step son is Colombian born, and is a Catholic, but both of them walking down the street, it would be a challenge for most WASP types to tell the difference, if skin color and facial features was all we had to go on.
I can guarantee, you put a sand boxer, a Mexican, a Colombian, a Puerto Rican, and perhaps even the odd dark Italian, all having "their" typical skin color and its going to take a person well studied in ethnic physical difference, and I am not even sure thats the correct way to say it, anyway, put them all in a line, and pick out the Muslim even much better than half the time.
All I am saying, is that its easier to profile folks talking about it, than actually doing it.
Something needs done, I guess all the brown young men\
in the world suffer?
and for sure, tell me the answer, then we will both know, cause I dont have a clue at present. 8)
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Re: Profile or not to Profile
by NRA_guy on Tue 16 Feb - 22:17
Let me offer a suggestion: All of the peace loving non-terrorist muslems around the world should turn in every known muslem terrorist to law enforcement before they have a chance to commit a terrorist act. And they should testify against the terrorists when it comes to trial.
A little of that and the non-muslems will believe there are only a few muslem terrorists---and their numbers and effectiveness will decline precipitously.
Until then, as long as non-terrorist muslems remain silent and uninvolved, they will continue to be painted with the same brush.
A little of that and the non-muslems will believe there are only a few muslem terrorists---and their numbers and effectiveness will decline precipitously.
Until then, as long as non-terrorist muslems remain silent and uninvolved, they will continue to be painted with the same brush.
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Re: Profile or not to Profile
by dragunovsks on Tue 16 Feb - 22:29
That's another thing, if most muslims are peace loving then why aren't they going on tv and radio and letting everyone know about it. It seems they are just letting everyone assume that their religion is a violent one.
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Re: Profile or not to Profile
by ronryder on Wed 17 Feb - 14:25
Thats the 64 dollar question, and the answer is obvious, though I confess not a PC one
I always relate it back to the odd abortion doctor killing, I have to confess, I would be tempted too supply the ammo, but would also likely be in line to turn the wannabe shooter in before it happened.
This rarely seems to happen with those that know of jihad type plots.
I guess life is not for the weak. We just have to do the best we can.
I always relate it back to the odd abortion doctor killing, I have to confess, I would be tempted too supply the ammo, but would also likely be in line to turn the wannabe shooter in before it happened.
This rarely seems to happen with those that know of jihad type plots.
I guess life is not for the weak. We just have to do the best we can.
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